He didnt say that the Han conquered the Manchus. He was referring to the rebellions or rather insurgents that was still trying to revolt against the Manchu's when the Manchu first conquered the Ming dynasty. I am sure you know the slogan back then for the revival of the Ming.

Nordic-kulta, Pidän sinusta oikein paljon. Kiinalaisten ja suomalaisten lapsista tulee kauniita!

anyway winston wu is pretty gutsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin

Honey-bunnyyyy...

nordic i know u have strong feelings for winston..don't try and suppress them
:chuckle:

å??清復明

ridiculous. The Manchus were/are great!@#

No, the Manchus are the direct descendants of the Jurchens. When Nurhaci united all the various Jurchen tribal confederates (most notable one being the "Yeh-He" tribe - 葉赫) and thus creating the
"8 Banners" 八旗 , he established the "Later Jin Dynasty" (後金).

There was an older Jin Dynasty (金) established around AD 1100 by the Jurchens that conquered northern China back then. Nurhaci merely took up the duty to return the Jurchens to their former glory a couple of hundred years later in the 1600s and thus named his kingdom "Later Jin".

The term 'Manchu' was actually coined by Nurhaci's son when he succeeded him and that's when he officially renamed their dynasty to 'Qing' (清) because he wanted to wipe the slate clean and bring about a whole new empire which will encompass the various ethnicities of China under one rule. Although mixing was encouraged, it did NOT mean that the Hans, Mongols, Uyghurs and others were considered true "Manchus".

You mean East Turkestan/Uyghurstan? Not that I like the region's extremist separatist groups, but I do sympathise with why the inhabitants don't consider themselves part of China proper.

whatever, you lose the war, too bad, you lose your land.

that's is how it works, it's always been like this. Just ask the Indians, the Australian Aborigines, etc etc.

/