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I dunno but I personally have a suspicion that "black pride" may not be beneficial in the long run. I have yet to see African nationalism instilled into Indian, Chinese, and white migrants and their children. Yet a good number of them have integrated well into the community, and have benefited the economy in many ways. Why should Kenyan, Nigerian, Morroccan, Congo, (or Jamaican) nationalism be held exclusively by black people only?
Look at Mobutu Sese Seko and his brutal banishment of white landowners. Did it benefit the economy in the long run? Nope. But that dictator is proven to have double standards in his own nationalism, for he had shady business deals w/ America's popular televangelist Pat Robertson (who allegedly used his Operation Blessing planes to transport mine workers).
Instead of "black leadership", why not seek of "South African," "Nigerian," or "Jamaican" leadership under a wise, capable leader regardless of skin color?
The point is, bridges must be established instead of barriers. Isolationism breeds hostility and greatly reduces a community's talent and financial pool because those who are "different" aren't given an opportunity to contribute. True, European colonials in the past were cruel oppressors, but they're long dead. Their whips lay only in our father's memories and in our imagination, and their charging boots hardly fly the dust in textbooks written about them. They do hurt, but they are not supposed to break us. Is it proper to give their children the same treatment so that they'll treat our childen the same way too when we* die? No. Instead, let's take them by the hand and guide each other to smash distasteful prejudices and step into a bright new future!
*I use "we" here because our countries share a white colonial experience in our history.
Unfortunately, Blacks in most parts of the world were robbed of their rule! It was stolen from them by eagerly greedy Europeans. Men like Christopher Columbus had goals in mind, which were different than the "African" way! Back in the day Africans were great rulers. They had great leadership and honor within their different tribes... Great organization and so forth! Many Africans were raped of that joy and influenced and introduced to the "White way" of doing things, by it being imposed and forced on them... I mean I hate the state of Africa now and I love it when they fight for theirs. Thank GOD they got rid of apartheid and fought it out, but you know what... the spirit is ruined, it's hard to get back to the purity of what made them great! Now White people although they are the minority there, think they own it and have created segregation and isolation! The concept of "money" is very evil and was created to make people feel inferior IMO!!!
The struggle of any country to get themselves independent of White or whatever rule, is often unprepared of what to do afterwards, because they never knew of a way in the first place! While their spirit was killed along the way, all they knew of was "fight fight fight for justice" We'll deal with what comes after when it gets here! Some don't actually feel that they will win and when they do... chaos! Excitement! People run a muck!!! The feeling of "I can do whatever I want" takes over and it's hard to get that under control, just think of all of this here! Many of the inhabitants were slaved there, and eventually mixed with the nativesas well as Spanish inhabitants (just like the mixing in America) . Different cultures all in one place, mixing and losing their culture and identity. Nothing wrong with that, but it takes away from the pure blooded struggle if you understand what I mean without me going into depth.
Yes, Black people are often afraid of Black leadership, because we have been out of leadership roles for hundreds of hundreds of years... things are gradually changing and we are getting our new share of roles in the "new world" In todays developed world, in order to be a productive and successful leader, unfortunately we have to mold into the roles that... well the roles that the White man laid path to for everyone. They have set the pace, and well with Black people naturally having a different way of doing things from so many years ago (think tribal union and leadership roles and then think of what leadership roles mean in todays day and age), at times it's hard to be so politically correct, to assimilate into something we are not (by nature), to be in the systems.
I hope I got my point across here, as there is a lot on my mind in reference to all of this!
Instead of "black leadership", why not seek of "South African," "Nigerian," or "Jamaican" leadership under a wise, capable leader regardless of skin color? [quote]
Very valid point and I totally agree with that statement but unfortunately if a person of colour isn't willing to play the WMs game in those countries he or she won't get very far, it's deeper than we know and a lot of politics are involved, although I don't support Castro, I respect the man for sticking to what he believes in and making a true statement that he doesn't need White America's assistance in sustaining his country.
Do I agree with how the people live in that country (hell no) but at the same time they have a sense of self and pride that hasn't been tainted with, something other ethnic races had stolen from them.
It was stolen from them by eagerly greedy Europeans. Men like Christopher Columbus had goals in mind, which were different than the "African" way!
The concept of "money" is very evil and was created to make people feel inferior IMO!!!
Some don't actually feel that they will win and when they do... chaos! Excitement! People run a muck!!!
Many of the inhabitants were slaved there, and eventually mixed with the nativesas well as Spanish inhabitants (just like the mixing in America) . Different cultures all in one place, mixing and losing their culture and identity. Nothing wrong with that, but it takes away from the pure blooded struggle if you understand what I mean without me going into depth.
Well, Christopher Columbus certainly raped America, I dunno about Africa though?
Money is evil and makes people feel inferior? I thought it was just a more convenient form of bartering?
So, miscegenation weakens Black unity - and thus disempowers Blacks as a whole?
Some interesting viewpoints there...
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Now, here's an interesting report on Malawi, a sub-Saharan country which was briefly under British rule during their imperialist days. But, now, under their own rule:
- Some African teachers are forcing girls there to have sex.
- Girls are afraid of being sexually-assaulted in the school latrines.
- In their coming-of-age initiation rites, girls (as young as 8 or 10) were forced to have sex with an older man (40) in a hyena mask - often getting pregnant or HIV.
- They live in mud-and-thatch houses.
- Due to droughts, gov corruption, overspending, etc - 40% of Malawi's budget & 80% of its development programs depend on external aid (much of this from rich White countries).
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Now, I'm hesitant to blame all this on "the White man." I mean, for one thing, he is probably the one providing the vast bulk of all that donor aid to keep these countries afloat!!! Yes, not only is the White man not actively oppressing Africa now - but actually supporting it! Times have changed, and tables have turned. Just ask Bono... Or maybe this guy - Anti-African-American Black?
Not to mention, why did Africa allow itself to be so militarily weak to be colonized in the first place? And they still are, because they still have no real industry or economy. They are only falling farther and farther behind the rest of the world. I can only wonder where they'll be in 50 more years? And one of the major reasons why is having the highest birth rates in the world and a very uneducated populace.
Well, sexual behavior is a personal choice and has little to do with any economic pressure or colonial influence. For example, the British controlled Hong Kong for a century - and they never had these types of problems - and did quite well both under and without British rule today! Therefore, if it was British influence causing all this dysfunction and inability to support themselves - then why didn't other former British colonies (including America, Australia & various banana republics) fall victim to the same problems? Former White rule does not seem to be the common denominator there, then.
So, is all the racial separation and stratification really more just water seeking its own level?
Well, Christopher Columbus certainly raped America, I dunno about Africa though?
Money is evil and makes people feel inferior? I thought it was just a more convenient form of bartering?
So, miscegenation weakens Black unity - and thus disempowers Blacks as a whole?
Some interesting viewpoints there...
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Now, here's an interesting report on Malawi, a sub-Saharan country which was briefly under British rule during their imperialist days. But, now, under their own rule:
- Some African teachers are forcing girls there to have sex.
- Girls are afraid of being sexually-assaulted in the school latrines.
- In their coming-of-age initiation rites, girls (as young as 8 or 10) were forced to have sex with an older man (40) in a hyena mask - often getting pregnant or HIV.
- They live in mud-and-thatch houses.
- Due to droughts, gov corruption, overspending, etc - 40% of Malawi's budget & 80% of its development programs depend on external aid (much of this from rich White countries).
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Now, I'm hesitant to blame all this on "the White man." I mean, for one thing, he is probably the one providing the vast bulk of all that donor aid to keep these countries afloat!!! Yes, not only is the White man not actively oppressing Africa now - but actually supporting it! Times have changed, and tables have turned. Just ask Bono... Or maybe this guy - Anti-African-American Black?
Not to mention, why did Africa allow itself to be so militarily weak to be colonized in the first place? And they still are, because they still have no real industry or economy. They are only falling farther and farther behind the rest of the world. I can only wonder where they'll be in 50 more years? And one of the major reasons why is having the highest birth rates in the world and a very uneducated populace.
Well, sexual behavior is a personal choice and has little to do with any economic pressure or colonial influence. For example, the British controlled Hong Kong for a century - and they never had these types of problems - and did quite well both under and without British rule today! Therefore, if it was British influence causing all this dysfunction and inability to support themselves - then why didn't other former British colonies (including America, Australia & various banana republics) fall victim to the same problems? Former White rule does not seem to be the common denominator there, then.
So, is all the racial separation stratification really more just water seeking its own level?
Africa was never war torn or considered a third world country until it was invaded and taken advantage of and raped of it's resources.
Very Good insight but you must realise when you have a small majority setting the pace of fear, hatred and violence in Africa and having full control to keep Africans in a submissive role and then all of sudden the binds that tied the economy have changed hands there will be CHAOS.
It's like keeping humans in a cage for over 50 years (for example) and then allowing them a taste of freedom... all hell will break lose. These people have witnessed atrocities placed upon themselves, families and communities, there way of life was raped, there minds was raped (seeing death for years and years will kill a mans soul) there is Genocide happening in certain parts of Africa as we speak and now they are suddenly supposed to act humane and civilized but how can that be if there way of living and being civil was stripped from them a long time ago.
Africa has many resources that WM aren't willing to part with so they have a vested interest for being in that country and doing what they do to the African people. Just ask Debeers and the Rockefellars I'm sure they can give you the 411 on why they pay mine workers less than nothing and they reap the fortunes of conflict diamonds.
All your points are valid to a point but someone had to set the standards of being a civilized country and when a country is built off the backs of pain and conflict what do you expect.
Last edited by friction33; 08-11-2006 at 10:45 AM.
Instead of "black leadership", why not seek of "South African," "Nigerian," or "Jamaican" leadership under a wise, capable leader regardless of skin color?
I have addressed this in my initial post how this is almost impossible in todays day and age. When any "wise and capable" leader is Black they are often scrutinized. They can't even be successful leaders without someone on their back, either criticizing or condemning their way! That makes people sick and tired and often times lash out and become destructive out of the frustration alone!
but unfortunately if a person of colour isn't willing to play the WMs game in those countries he or she won't get very far, it's deeper than we know and a lot of politics are involved, although I don't support Castro, I respect the man for sticking to what he believes in and making a true statement that he doesn't need White America's assistance in sustaining his country.
Do I agree with how the people live in that country (hell no) but at the same time they have a sense of self and pride that hasn't been tainted with, something other ethnic races had stolen from them.
And Amen to you too sistah' because exactly my point!
IMO!!! 
