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Asian Men Under the American Beauty Standard

 
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Some may find it counter-intuitive, but beauty may enhance a man's sexual attractiveness even more dramatically than it does a woman's. Not only do good-looking guys start having sex several years earlier than the average, he's more than twice as likely to have his sexual partner achieve orgasm than the average joe, according to a 1994 study by evolutionary biologist Randy Thornhill and psychologist Steven Gangestad. Despite all these bonuses, the hot guys are more likely to cheat on their mates while hot women aren't.

Why so much action for handsome men? It turns out that symmetry, a central element of beauty, is an excellent indicator of lifelong health. Men with less symmetrical features suffer more from problems like insomnia and nasal congestion and more emotional turbulence like anger, jealousy and withdrawl, according to a University of Michigan study.

Features that make men attractive signal their fitness to sire healthy offspring. Consider big jaws, a masculine feature that universally makes women swoon. Turns out big jaws take abundant levels of extra androgens (male hormones) like testosterone. High androgen levels compromise the immune system. Therefore, a man with square jaws signal high resistence to disease, a valuable survival trait.

Other masculine features found to be universally attractive — to both men and women — include a straight strong nose, strong chin, rugged brows, prominent cheekbones and full lips. Under the prevailing American view white men are the embodiments of the masculine ideal while Asian men are relegated to off-brand status. However, as shown in Part I, the proportions of beautiful faces of all races converge toward a universal ideal. Comparisons of caucasian and Asian facial features against these standards (see chart below) don't support the view that caucasian men have a monopoly on the physical traits adding up to the masculine ideal.



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I think there is still a long ladder to climb for Asian men to be seen regularly in the media as sexy, stylish, strong and overall attractive to women.
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I totally agree with you.
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I think there is still a long ladder to climb for Asian men to be seen regularly in the media as sexy, stylish, strong and overall attractive to women.
Well, the good thing is that AM don't need the media's blessings to be attractive. Beauty simply is. It does not require anyone's permission to be.

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Why so much action for handsome men? It turns out that symmetry, a central element of beauty, is an excellent indicator of lifelong health. Men with less symmetrical features suffer more from problems like insomnia and nasal congestion and more emotional turbulence like anger, jealousy and withdrawl, according to a University of Michigan study.
I hear a lot about symmetry but still think it's overrated. Most people are pretty symmetric. When you take one side of someone's face and create a composite with its mirror image, the result isn't stunning beauty. At best, it's slightly more attractive than the original. Gross asymmetry can make someone ugly but perfect symmetry will not make one beautiful. Symmetry can be thought of as a necessary but not sufficient condition for beauty.

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Features that make men attractive signal their fitness to sire healthy offspring. Consider big jaws, a masculine feature that universally makes women swoon. Turns out big jaws take abundant levels of extra androgens (male hormones) like testosterone. High androgen levels compromise the immune system. Therefore, a man with square jaws signal high resistence to disease, a valuable survival trait.

Other masculine features found to be universally attractive — to both men and women — include a straight strong nose, strong chin, rugged brows, prominent cheekbones and full lips.
All of these features sound like they're inherited but they're not. You can, in fact, cheat the system and cheat it quite a bit. Everytime you see an attractive person, think about what they have in common with other attractive people. All of the facial features described above are the "what." If you figure out the "why" and "how" it's possible to become more attractive than you could have ever imagined.

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Under the prevailing American view white men are the embodiments of the masculine ideal while Asian men are relegated to off-brand status. However, as shown in Part I, the proportions of beautiful faces of all races converge toward a universal ideal. Comparisons of caucasian and Asian facial features against these standards (see chart below) don't support the view that caucasian men have a monopoly on the physical traits adding up to the masculine ideal.
I am in complete agreement here.

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So how does this intense emotionalism translate into perceptions of Asian facial features? American society has traditionally inverted the values placed on Asian male facial features. For example, whereas a strong jawline is considered a highly attractive trait by Americans in assessing caucasian male beauty, it is seen as a threatening or even sinister and repulsive feature on an Asian male. Another example is the perception of narrow or even squinty eyes, especially when paired with prominent cheekbones. This is often considered a rugged or sexy trait in white men. The Marlboro Man is probably the best example of the attractively rugged aura surrounding sun-squinted eyes in a man. In Asian men, however, many Americans are more likely to see the mark of an unsavory, untrustworthy alien.
And I disagree here.

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An even greater distortion in American perceptions of male beauty across racial lines is the tendency to assign distorted norms that reflect racial typecasting. To Asian men American society has assigned as the norm a round baby face with earnest eyes, weak nose and weak chin. These are clearly feminine traits by universal standards of male beauty, but non-Asian Americans tend to see them as the ideal features for an Asian male because they fit him into the role cast for Asian males in American society — namely a non-threatening clerical or ancillary figure.
There are feminine and masculine types of beauty as described. The feminine type works for females because it exudes youthfulness. Feminine beauty can be described as soft, youthful, round, babyfaced, or cute. The lower half of the face is more U-shaped. Masculine beauty is hard, mature, angular, hot, or lean. The lower half of the face is more V-shaped (look at the 4 pictures of men in the original post).

Feminine beauty works for females:



Masculine beauty works for men and women:





Feminine beauty does not work for males:



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Thus, the social overlay that once made Asian men seem like the embodiment of anti-American values is evolving into a something more neutral. Americans are now beginning to judge Asian male features more objectively and less emotionally. A good-looking Asian man is more likely to be seen as a good-looking man and not as the incarnation of the geopolitical nemesis or the economic rival. This trend has been greatly helped by the far larger numbers of native-born or acculturated Asian American men who have moved into respected positions in business, government, academia and the media. The day may not be far off when Asian male features may come to enjoy a positive social overlay that reflects our actual socio-economic status in American society.
A good-looking Asian man has always been a good-looking man. If you wait for society's sanction you will die of old age first.

Let's imagine we wake up tomorrow and AM are getting the rock star treatment in the media. In a 1-on-1 with a female, all preconceptions go out the window in the first few seconds. That applies to both positive and negative preconceived notions. The AM that haven't learned how to flirt with women will still self-destruct in short order.
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Well, the good thing is that AM don't need the media's blessings to be attractive. Beauty simply is. It does not require anyone's permission to be.



I hear a lot about symmetry but still think it's overrated. Most people are pretty symmetric. When you take one side of someone's face and create a composite with its mirror image, the result isn't stunning beauty. At best, it's slightly more attractive than the original. Gross asymmetry can make someone ugly but perfect symmetry will not make one beautiful. Symmetry can be thought of as a necessary but not sufficient condition for beauty.



All of these features sound like they're inherited but they're not. You can, in fact, cheat the system and cheat it quite a bit. Everytime you see an attractive person, think about what they have in common with other attractive people. All of the facial features described above are the "what." If you figure out the "why" and "how" it's possible to become more attractive than you could have ever imagined.



I am in complete agreement here.



And I disagree here.



There are feminine and masculine types of beauty as described. The feminine type works for females because it exudes youthfulness. Feminine beauty can be described as soft, youthful, round, babyfaced, or cute. The lower half of the face is more U-shaped. Masculine beauty is hard, mature, angular, hot, or lean. The lower half of the face is more V-shaped (look at the 4 pictures of men in the original post).

Feminine beauty works for females:



Masculine beauty works for men and women:





Feminine beauty does not work for males:





A good-looking Asian man has always been a good-looking man. If you wait for society's sanction you will die of old age first.

Let's imagine we wake up tomorrow and AM are getting the rock star treatment in the media. In a 1-on-1 with a female, all preconceptions go out the window in the first few seconds. That applies to both positive and negative preconceived notions. The AM that haven't learned how to flirt with women will still self-destruct in short order.

Why is the last pic embody "feminine beatuy"? The dude looks a 100% dude-ish to me...although he does have like almost flawless skin.
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I disagree with the statement that feminine beauty doesn't work with men. Many women are attracted to that type of beauty (like me). Personality does play a factor to how women are attracted to the opposite sex.

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Women are more attracted to cool guys than handsome guys.

Young inexperienced guys will think hot girls just want good-looking guys. That is untrue.

Asian guys are held to the American standard not of beauty but of "coolness". American society tries to relegate Asian males to uncool things such as nerdiness, lack of social awareness, shyness, and then try to stamp an unmasculine identity to those things. For a white nerd you can still get an Asian girl cuz white nerds haven't been given the same treatment as Asian nerds.

Black nerds...what's that? Exactly, there is virtually no black nerd stereotype so a black nerdy guy will still be somewhat "cool" in Hollywood's eyes.

And people are gullbile, people are born a blank slate so whatever teenage girls grow up seeing on TV is what they believe. Who else are they to get advice from, their parents??? They will go with whatever seems coolest, so that's obviously the crappy Teen People and US Weekly magazines, showing people who are supposed to be the 100 most beautiful ppl on earth, but in fact look like shit without makeup and their nosejobs and boobjobs and facelifts.
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