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Old 05-02-2008, 06:15 AM
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am/xf a subculture?

I had a rather odd exchange with someone recently. I am a member of a forum dealing with those touched by infidelity, and I have been for a couple years, since my x-husband's affair. Anyway a couple days ago I ran across a face that I'd seen on this site and I contacted her.

So her response seemed rather negative, bear in mind that she is an extremely attractive white blond woman, married to a very attractive asian man, who cheated on her.

So she said that ya her pictures had been plastered all over the am/wf subculture...

Then joked about being efamous.

I guess the word that really stuck out to me was subculture. I'd never really ever thought of it that way, but the context in which she used it seemed to have a rather negative connotation to it.

So I looked for a sociological definition of subculture, and basically stopped at the wikipedia answer.

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In sociology, anthropology and cultural studies, a subculture is a group of people with a culture (whether distinct or hidden) which differentiates them from the larger culture to which they belong. If a particular subculture is characterized by a systematic opposition to the dominant culture, it may be described as a counterculture. As Ken Gelder notes, subcultures are social, with their own shared conventions, values and rituals, but they can also seem 'immersed' or self-absorbed - another feature that distinguishes them from countercultures. He identifies six key ways in which subcultures can be understood: 1. through their often negative relations to work (as 'idle', 'parasitic', at play or at leisure, etc.); 2. through their negative or ambivalent relation to class (since subcultures are not 'class-conscious' and don't conform to traditional class definitions); 3. through their association with territory (the 'street', the 'hood, the club, etc.), rather than property; 4. through their movement out of the home and into non-domestic forms of belonging (i.e. social groups other than the family); 5. through their stylistic ties to excess and exaggeration (with some exceptions); 6. through their refusal of the banalities of ordinary life and massification.[1]

As early as 1950, David Riesman distinguished between a majority, "which passively accepted commercially provided styles and meanings, and a 'subculture' which actively sought a minority style...and interpreted it in accordance with subversive values".[2] Sarah Thornton, drawing on Pierre Bourdieu, has described 'subcultural capital' as the cultural knowledge and commodities acquired by members of a subculture, raising their status and helping differentiate themselves from members of other groups.[3]
I definately don't feel that my interracial relationship or my seeking out of others in similar situations qualifies as a subculture.

What do you think? Does your approach at am/xf place you in a subculture? Does she have a point or is she just being judgemental (even though she's in an interracial relationship herself)?

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As a social worker I would use the term subculture here too.

It's not that you automatically join a subculture when you have an asian spouse.
But this online community with it's exchanges about certain topics is definitely part of one.
So for example, when I had my first asian boyfriend the internet wasn't yet there and also no local am-xf groups and so I was not part of a subculture back then.
Now I am, even though I have no current boyfriend, I purposedly joined online groups with the subject of interracial relationships.
People from outside would now identify me as a member of a subculture (= non mainstream interest group) and so do I.

The term subculture has no negative connotation for me.
It just says that there's a culture besides the mainstream.
That's a good thing!

I tend to end up in subcultural rather than mainstream interest groups, online and outside, dunno, they are oftenly more sympathetic to me.

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keeping up with the joneses, or main stram is so boring
id rather doing something different just to feel what it felt like, (ps im a wimp and terrified of hieghts wheather it above ground or under water, feel faint at the sight of blood, and the list goes on . . .)

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I agree with LF. Although, I'd never really thought of it in this way before, but it does make sense.

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