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Thumbs down Model Minority racism

This is something that has bothered me for a long time regarding Asians as the 'Golden Minority'

Because of the hard working, low key, submissive, subordinate stereotype Asian males and females are often paid less to do work that other employees would not be asked to do because the boss knows (or thinks) an Asian person will do more work for less pay and do a better job.


The article is a good example of this.

It happened with my ex husband. He was an Systems Analyst and he'd be responsible for his boss's work. His boss was a White guy and an idiot and a jerk. My ex got tired of the crap and quit. The boss begged him stay because he knew this Asian guy was doing all of his work better than he could. His boss got fired shortly after he quit.














Tibetan nannies: Parents’ new status symbol? - Kids and parenting- msnbc.com



When $800 strollers hit the market a few years ago, it looked as if baby status symbols had reached a new odd, capitalist apex. Now, according to a growing number of parents and experts, the primo credentials trade in a different kind of capital: nannies.

In American cities that draw domestic workers from around the world, the nanny pool is incredibly diverse, with women from the Philippines, Jamaica and the West Indies, Nepal, Russia, Poland and more. In some families, the ethnic background of a nanny carries a certain cachet — and entrenched stereotypes.

“Generally speaking, what is the difference between someone from the Philippines, Tibet and the Caribbean in terms of child-raising mentality, patience, education ...?,” wondered a recent poster on the popular parenting site UrbanBaby.com.
Such posts — and parents — are not alone in voicing their wishes to hire nannies with the “right” socio-ethnic background for their children. For the past several years, Tibetan nannies have been all the rage in New York City. On message boards and playgrounds, some parents claimed Tibetan nannies were “very balanced and Zen” and aided in children’s “spiritual development,” whereas in areas such as Dallas, for example, Latino nannies have been more in demand for their Spanish-speaking abilities.

At the Diki Daycare Center in Astoria, N.Y., demand for Tibetan nannies became so great that the preschool began offering a Tibetan nanny referral service.

“Tibetan women are well known for being caring and loving nannies,” reads the promotional literature. “They are recognized for becoming ‘one of the family’ and offer the same compassion and quality of care for their charges as they do their own children.” Furthermore, it says, “Cleanliness, organization & dedication to education are values of Tibetan culture.”

In fact, Tibetan nannies have become so popular that they may have become victims of their own success as they’ve been able to request and get escalating salaries — much to the annoyance of some employers.

“Our nanny has priced herself out of our range and I will let her go because she guilted us into paying through the nose,” recently wrote an outraged New Yorker on the message boards of UrbanBaby.com.

The downturn in the economy may also be compelling some parents to shift their focus to their own financial futures rather than the “Free Tibet” movement by seeking nannies who offer more practical perks — free language instructions.

“The trends that I see are more toward education, cultural enrichment,” says Clifford Greenhouse, the president of the Pavillion Agency, a nanny and housekeepers employment agency. “[Parents] are getting realistic as to the important things in life.”

To that end, he says, the top requests are for nannies who are native speakers of “world languages,” such as Mandarin Chinese, Russian, and Spanish because, Greenhouse says, parents want their children to have an educational leg up, and a free language lesson thrown in with child care seems to fit the bill.

Illegal to discriminate on basis of ethnic background
Licensed employment agencies are prohibited by law to discriminate on the basis of ethnic background, though if there is a legitimate cultural or educational reason behind a request for a nanny with a particular background, owners of such firms will generally entertain them.

But for those with less than legitimate requests for nannies with particular ethnic backgrounds, there is a massive array of unlicensed Internet outfits willing to help: MyRussianNanny.com, TibetanNannies.com, Nanny-Agency.com (which provides a “List of all available nannies by country and nationality”).

But doesn’t all this smack of plain, old-fashioned racism? It certainly does to many nannies.

“They talk about how everybody hires the Filipina nannies because you can get them to do anything or that families will look for a British nanny who has the right accent,” says Tasha Blaine, a former nanny and Sacramento, Calif.-based author of the recently-published book “Just Like Family: Inside the Lives of Nannies, the Parents They Work For, and the Children They Love.”

Blaine discovered this first-hand while working as a nanny — not just from fellow caregivers, but also from prospective employers. In one interview, a mother advised Blaine to warn families in advance of meeting that she was Caucasian, with a degree from a prestigious college. “She said, ‘I’m not sure that people would feel comfortable asking someone like you to make their beds or do the laundry,’” she says.

What is even more troubling, points out Blaine, is the blatant racial profiling conducted by prospective employers, largely the mothers of nannies’ charges.

“Women who would never feel comfortable making such sweeping generalizations about anyone’s racial background in other areas of their lives, like work, somehow feel free to do it when they’re talking about hiring nannies,” she says. “People are more upfront when they’re talking about their homes and their kids because you don’t have to worry about H.R. coming to you, there’s no policing.”

It's a situation that both nannies and the families who hire them are all too aware. No nannies of the most sought-after ethnicities were willing to talk on record for fear of jeopardizing their employment, and parents didn't want to come forward parout of concern they'd come across as discriminatory.

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It is offensive, to be sure, but according to Joan Friedman, owner of A Choice Nanny, a licensed nanny agency with locations in Florida, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Virginia, and Washington D.C., many of these racial requests are born either of ignorance or simple follow-the-pack behavior.

Furthermore, you probably won’t get the right fit anyway. “It’s more than inappropriate, it’s limiting,” she argues.

People, not stereotypes
Friedman always makes this clear to prospective clients before allowing them to sign on by first reminding them that such requests are illegal, and second, by insisting that they evaluate candidates on the basis of their experience, references and education.

The bottom line, she says, is that race just doesn’t matter. “I can tell you, that in 18 years of doing this, I’ve never had a racial stereotype confirmed in the aggregate.”

And, clearly, not all parents countenance their peers’ objectionable queries. To the UrbanBaby.com poster who wanted to know about differences between nannies from the Philippines, Caribbean, and Tibetans came the barbed response: “Philippines and Caribbean … are in the ocean, whereas Tibet is land-locked I believe.” It was the first of many.

Susan Gregory Thomas is a New York-based writer and the author of "Buy Buy Baby: How Consumer Culture Manipulates Parents and Harms Young Minds."
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This is why I do the opposite :p.

My company has about half regular canadians from different origins and then most of the programmers are from China who don't speak fluent english (words here and there to get by)

I know for a fact they are getting paid dirt to work and they are so thankful because elsewhere they won't get a job because of the language barrier. Many of them stay over their regular 8 hour shift.

I rarely do, I'm always on time and leave when I'm supposed to leave. People look at me like I owe them something but I don't give a xxxx .
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It happened with my ex husband. He was an Systems Analyst and he'd be responsible for his boss's work. His boss was a White guy and an idiot and a jerk. My ex got tired of the crap and quit. The boss begged him stay because he knew this Asian guy was doing all of his work better than he could. His boss got fired shortly after he quit.
so did he confront his boss about the problem before he quit?
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He did. It was satisfying for him.
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While I agree there are problems with assuming Asians are a model minority, among which is the "cheap labor" stereotype, the article you posted seems to prove the opposite: that Tibetans nannies' Asian qualities--their "balanced and Zen" nature, for example--actually make them more money: "Tibetan nannies have become so popular that... they’ve been able to request and get escalating salaries."

Also, what your ex-husband experienced may be based on race, but those interviewed in the article make clear and consistent references to cultural diversity--not race. So I see perhaps cultural preference or discrimination, but hardly one that's race-based.
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It's not just asians either, some of the eastern europeans that come over here to work get treated like dirt, particularly the polish.
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My previous employer has stereotyped that as long as they pay you overtime, Asian males like me, will work whatever, whenever. They misunderstood the only purpose of asian comes to work is from the money. Forget about self achievement or leisure and your family life.

I almost turned down every single overtime request, my sups were like, why? I thought asian works hard and need money….

I have never worked any overtime at all….

I don’t believe work is very important. I don’t know, maybe I got this from French people…. maybe I speak French. I do not think work should occupy everything. English culture does not understand this………. Just because they see my Asian face, then forget everything.

I even got shit because I celebrate “Bastille day” at work… my boss thinks I am plotting union movement and sent security follows me all the way from washroom to water coolers…

You know? That’s so fun, just like old timer Communist Chinese movies, talks about how labour movement fights stupid and greedy boss.

Reason why? One of my sup is East Indian origin..lol. you know what? We Chinese and East Indian can not do business together… haha, East Indian always wanna discount and we Chinese do not give discount, including business and work….hahahahahaha

I am so racist.
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My previous employer has stereotyped that as long as they pay you overtime, Asian males like me, will work whatever, whenever. They misunderstood the only purpose of asian comes to work is from the money. Forget about self achievement or leisure and your family life.

I almost turned down every single overtime request, my sups were like, why? I thought asian works hard and need money….

I have never worked any overtime at all….

I don’t believe work is very important. I don’t know, maybe I got this from French people…. maybe I speak French. I do not think work should occupy everything. English culture does not understand this………. Just because they see my Asian face, then forget everything.

I even got shit because I celebrate “Bastille day” at work… my boss thinks I am plotting union movement and sent security follows me all the way from washroom to water coolers…

You know? That’s so fun, just like old timer Communist Chinese movies, talks about how labour movement fights stupid and greedy boss.

Reason why? One of my sup is East Indian origin..lol. you know what? We Chinese and East Indian can not do business together… haha, East Indian always wanna discount and we Chinese do not give discount, including business and work….hahahahahaha

I am so racist.
You nicked that last bit off Russell Peters.
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You nicked that last bit off Russell Peters.
yes, it is !! i love Russel Peters...

it's so true though...
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