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Thumbs up For US residents: About *&#$in' time for National Healthcare

Obama outlines health care plan for all - Yahoo! News

Obama outlines health care plan for all

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama, providing the first real details on how he wants to reshape the nation's health care system, urged Congress on Wednesday toward a sweeping overhaul that would allow Americans to buy into a government insurance plan.

In a letter to two senators leading the health care debate, Obama also moved toward accepting a requirement for every American to buy health insurance, as long as the plan provides a "hardship waiver" to exempt poor people from having to pay.

Obama opposed such an individual mandate during his campaign, but Congress increasingly is moving to embrace the idea.

Obama set out the goals in a letter to Sens. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairmen of the two committees writing health care bills. It followed a meeting he held Tuesday with members of their committees, and amounted to a road map to keep Congress aligned with his goals.

"The plans you are discussing embody my core belief that Americans should have better choices for health insurance, building on the principle that if they like the coverage they have now, they can keep it, while seeing their costs lowered as our reforms take hold," Obama wrote.

Obama has asked the House and Senate each to finish legislation by early August, so that the two chambers can combine their bills in time for him to sign a single, sweeping measure in October. In a statement Baucus welcomed the assignment.

"I will stop at nothing to deliver a health reform bill that works for families and businesses to the president this year," Baucus said.

Covering 50 million uninsured Americans could cost as much as $1.5 trillion over a decade, and cost is emerging as a major sticking point. Obama didn't offer new solutions to that problem in his letter Wednesday but did say he'd like to squeeze an additional $200 billion to $300 billion over 10 years from the Medicare and Medicaid government insurance programs for the elderly, disabled and poor.

He said he'd do it through such measures as better managing chronic diseases and avoiding unnecessary tests and hospital readmissions. Savings from such measures are uncertain.

Medicare benefits cost the federal government about $450 billion a year and Medicaid about $200 billion. Obama already has targeted the programs for some $300 billion in cuts over 10 years in the 2010 budget he released in February.

He also said he's open to congressional proposals to let an independent commission identify cuts to Medicare which would take effect unless Congress rejected them all at once, similar to how military base closures are handled.

The president said he supports a new health insurance exchange that Congress is crafting, a sort of marketplace that would allow Americans to shop for different plans and compare prices.

All of the plans should offer a basic affordable package, and none should be allowed to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, Obama said — big changes from how private insurance companies operate today.

"I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans," Obama wrote, weighing in firmly on one of the most controversial issues in the debate. "This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive and keep insurance companies honest."

Republicans strongly oppose a public plan, as do private insurers, who contend it would drive them out of business.

"A government-run plan would set artificially-low prices that private insurers would have no way of competing with," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Wednesday on the Senate floor.

The idea of what Obama called a "hardship waiver" for individual Americans too poor to buy care splits the difference between where he was during the presidential campaign and where Congress appears to be heading.

In the campaign, Obama did not support requiring everyone to buy insurance, putting him at odds with then Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton. Congress is looking at doing so. The hardship waiver idea is under consideration by the Senate Finance Committee, which also is considering giving tax credits to certain individuals so they can afford health care. Kennedy and House Democrats are looking at giving subsidies to the poor to help them buy coverage.

The letter didn't address the issue of taxing health care benefits. Obama opposed that during his campaign but Congress is now considering it, and Obama hasn't shut the door on it.
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From the LA Times: Findings by Harvard researchers show that medical-related bankruptcies have increased from 55% in 2001. The report could boost Obama's bid for healthcare reforms.

The study found that medical bills, plus related problems such as lost wages for the ill and their caregivers, contributed to 62% of all bankruptcies filed in 2007. On the campaign trail last year and in the White House this year, Obama had cited an earlier study by the same authors showing that such expenses played a part in 55% of bankruptcies in 2001...
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I'm not sure what I think about this yet. Now, while I do like the idea of everyone having health care, and the insurance companies no longer being allowed to run amok and jack the rates up any time they want, and to monumental proportions. Something definitely has to be done to rein in the insurance companies, but I'm not sure if national health care is it.

Now, the article said that they hope to pull $300 billion from existing medicare and medicaid programs by eliminating unnecessary spending, and within a few years, that should indeed be possible, but how much is this going to cost us in the interim? Are we going to get taxed to death even more than we already are?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing yet, but I am not saying it's a good thing yet either. I will be reading up to learn more about this plan as it comes to fruition. Since we're going to be out in the private sector this time two years from now, health insurance costs are something we're thinking about, so in that way, anything that lowers premiums is a relief to us, but we also don't want to be taxed to death to pay for something that we may or may not even like, so it'll be interesting to see how they pull this one off.
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I'm not sure what I think about this yet. Now, while I do like the idea of everyone having health care, and the insurance companies no longer being allowed to run amok and jack the rates up any time they want, and to monumental proportions. Something definitely has to be done to rein in the insurance companies, but I'm not sure if national health care is it.

Now, the article said that they hope to pull $300 billion from existing medicare and medicaid programs by eliminating unnecessary spending, and within a few years, that should indeed be possible, but how much is this going to cost us in the interim? Are we going to get taxed to death even more than we already are?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing yet, but I am not saying it's a good thing yet either. I will be reading up to learn more about this plan as it comes to fruition. Since we're going to be out in the private sector this time two years from now, health insurance costs are something we're thinking about, so in that way, anything that lowers premiums is a relief to us, but we also don't want to be taxed to death to pay for something that we may or may not even like, so it'll be interesting to see how they pull this one off.
I understanding what you are stating. Although I have insurance that is covered by the state, my deductible is very high. I'm actually am wondering, "If the government is in charge of insurance, how much is the real cost?"
I'm going to continously check on this info. I hope NPR and PBS news covers this more in depth this week.

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I've been lucky because I have always had a job that covered me. But I know people who really need health care yet don't go get it because they can't afford it. It's really sad. And an embarrassment in this country.
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I'm sure it'll cost a ton of provide insurance to all Americans, but I'm sure it can be achieved if planned out carefully. I'm uninsured and I cannot afford health care. Even their "inexpensive" plans are too expensive for me. Good thing there is a Planned Parenthood where I can get my exams done afforably, but if I get sick and need medical attention I'm royally screwed.
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Because of the US health care, I don't think I could ever live in the US. I just could not afford it!
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I'll just keep buying mine, until its a proven health care system. I dont want to be stuck like that Canadian health insurance.

I don't like to wait, and I like to go to my own doctors as I choose.
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I'll just keep buying mine, until its a proven health care system. I dont want to be stuck like that Canadian health insurance.

I don't like to wait, and I like to go to my own doctors as I choose.
Canadian health insurance? I have to research that.
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Because of the US health care, I don't think I could ever live in the US. I just could not afford it!
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