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Kind of a long and rambling collection of thoughts but please bear with me .
I've spent a lot of my free time from the last day and a half reading up on some of the posts by a few of the members here. Of particular interest were the posts in the Europe and South America section. I realize that to a great many Asian-Americans that life abroad is truly better elsewhere. I came to this same conclusion several years ago as well. 26 years of my life in the U.S. was enough to catch a glimpse of what the future had in store. I'm 30 now and I haven't lived in the U.S. since around '05 and i'm definitely not looking back.
My philosophy has always been that life is too short. If you have other choices in life and social/economic mobility then why stay in an environment that will make you unhappy? I count myself as very lucky that my profession and circumstances in life have allowed me this opportunity.
America's racial problems are really complex and I believe they are self perpetuating. It isn't and never has been a 'melting pot' it's more of a racial caste system where certain members are privileged above others for various reasons which is reinforced by the media, politics, and social influences. Every race has their corresponding stereotypes and a role to play in the caste and if they attempt to break away from it the response is overwhelmingly negative most of the time. Like the old saying goes the nail that sticks out gets hammered down.
Living abroad has allowed me to reverse years of racial group think. The way race is handled in America tends to lead to more animosity and distrust along meaningless racial lines. For a long time I harbored intense dislike for a lot of white and black people. I didn't grow up this way.. my parents are certainly not racist but what American society taught me was that if you are shown racism against you by members of that particular race then the natural course is to become racist in turn.
Some of the after effects of this racial system is doubt concerning your status in society. For some that leads to anger and immense self loathing condemning members of their own race. Just look at how fragile the Asian-American community is in the U.S. I see it as a community of socially damaged people looking to fit into a system that is demeaning and self defeating. It's a very sick competition to try and prove superiority over one another in an equally unnatural racial caste. This caste is predominate in countries like UK, US, Australia, and Canada with anglo origins. It has colonialist origins and it's a by product of the 18-19th century.
Since leaving America I have met dozens of people from all over the world. Some of my best friends are from European countries. It's not that racism doesn't exist in those countries it's that they don't see the world through the distinct racial lens that is predominate in anglo nations. This is a discussion i've had several times with friends from Europe and they are always surprised to hear about the myriad of racial problems that exist. On TV race in America is almost always portrayed as minorities intermingling in daily life with rarely any of the tension. If there is tension it's part of the plot and it's usually resolved at the end of the show or movie with understanding or compromise on all sides. That is hardly the reality.
My whole point in making this post is that if you're deeply unhappy with your situation in life where you are now for the reasons I mentioned then it's not just you. There's no reason to internalize bitterness or hate because of the dysfunctional way race has evolved in some of those countries. Life is too short.
^ you should do a search before starting a thread like this. there have been dozens of threads about this topic, which has been debated on this site for years.
many on this site whine about the situation of asians in america and hold up europe as some kind of utopia for asian guys.
as someone who has lived extensively in europe, america, and asia, i think i'm in a uniquely qualified position to dispel that myth.
in my opinion, europe is behind, not ahead, of america as far as race relations go in general and with respect to asians in particular.
europe might seem to be a little friendlier at a superficial level, because asians are considered largely outsiders here. they thus enjoy the courtesy extended to guests. in other words, they aren't considered full europeans, even if they are born here and hold european citizenship. they simply don't register and have almost no presence in the media, one way or the other.
in america, many of the negative stereotypes and images are the result of uneasiness about the growing presence of asians in positions of power and wealth. asians already have the highest levels of household income in america, higher than whites, and their education levels and attainments are also higher than whites. there is no comparable situation in europe.
the problems faced by asians in america are "advanced" problems. if asians had the presence in europe that they have in america, they'd face the same problems.
^ you should do a search before starting a thread like this. there have been dozens of threads about this topic, which has been debated on this site for years.
many on this site whine about the situation of asians in america and hold up europe as some kind of utopia for asian guys.
as someone who has lived extensively in europe, america, and asia, i think i'm in a uniquely qualified position to dispel that myth.
I'm of the opinion a neutral or unknown opinion is still better than the actively negative one that's created in the U.S.
in my opinion, europe is behind, not ahead, of america as far as race relations go in general and with respect to asians in particular.
europe might seem to be a little friendlier at a superficial level, because asians are considered largely outsiders here. they thus enjoy the courtesy extended to guests. in other words, they aren't considered full europeans, even if they are born here and hold european citizenship. they simply don't register and have almost no presence in the media, one way or the other.
You're right but only partially. you left out the facts that the Europeans are much less hysterical than the Americans when it comes to interracial relationships and they have much more respects for the Asian countries and the Asian cultures.
From Europe, sometimes the USA seems to be a country full of hystericals obsessed by the racial matters.When I was in the USA, I was in California, one of the state where the Asians are supposed to be very accepted, but I found them living for the most part in huge wealthy ghettoes.
At least here in France, people from different backgrounds have more interactions with each others, except for the Chinese FOB who are living like in the USA in their ghettoes. I've lived in the USA, Europe and Asia too and I prefer by far to live in Europe than in the USA.
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From Europe, sometimes the USA seems to be a country full of hystericals obsessed by the racial matters.
In my interactions with Europeans abroad the vibe I got was that it was no big deal as well. My friend here who is Italian explained a lot of what the racism in Italy is about. He said there is deep racism but it's focused more on what the public refers to as the stereotypical N. African immigrant. It wasn't as generalized the racism based on some 19th century U.S. anthropology book.
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When I was in the USA, I was in California, one of the state where the Asians are supposed to be very accepted, but I found them living for the most part in huge wealthy ghettoes.
That's a good way to describe it..sort of true. Asians move into California neighborhoods, the white people move out, and then the real estate prices skyrocket as more and wealthier asians move in to buy property. It's almost a weird gentrification.
Instead of reposting what I have written before, I'll just say that I agree w/ much of what jaemi and minhhung have written (to summarize - in some ways, the US is ahead w/ regard to race, in others, Europe is).
Anywhow, here's an interesting article w/ regard to the condition of blacks in France.
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He ticked off some obvious numbers: one black member representing continental France in the National Assembly among 555 members; no continental French senators out of some 300; only a handful of mayors out of some 36,000, and none from the poor Paris suburbs. To this may be added Cran’s findings that the percentage of blacks in France who hold university degrees is 55, compared with 37 percent for the general population. But the number of blacks who get stuck in the working class is 45 percent, compared with 34 percent for the national average.
Ms. Miano, the novelist, made a similar point. “There is no such thing as a black ‘community’ in France — yet — partly because we have such different histories,” she said. “An immigrant woman from Mali and another from Cameroon view the world in completely different ways. You also shouldn’t think there isn’t racism among blacks in France, between West Indians and Africans. There is. But ultimately we’re all black in the face of discrimination.”
I think it's strange how much emphasis I see put on this subject.
I've never personally had a problem with it.
If anyone mentioned me and my boyfriends in the past, it was always how cute we were as a couple.
I've never had anyone demean my S/O or say anything racist, and I've mostly dated Asians.
it isn´t quite true what you all said.
I used to live in Europe for 14 years and I dated 4-5 german girls to be my gals. As a asian bigdude I got no problem with them...
I kissed them, took their shoulder, slept with them etc....
But many asylumseekers of the 4th world like africa or the niggas are still less worth in some german areas until now....
the right radical Neo-Nazis will be beating them merciless and throwed them away from the train!
sad but true
Since leaving America I have met dozens of people from all over the world. Some of my best friends are from European countries. It's not that racism doesn't exist in those countries it's that they don't see the world through the distinct racial lens that is predominate in anglo nations. This is a discussion i've had several times with friends from Europe and they are always surprised to hear about the myriad of racial problems that exist. On TV race in America is almost always portrayed as minorities intermingling in daily life with rarely any of the tension. If there is tension it's part of the plot and it's usually resolved at the end of the show or movie with understanding or compromise on all sides. That is hardly the reality.
My whole point in making this post is that if you're deeply unhappy with your situation in life where you are now for the reasons I mentioned then it's not just you. There's no reason to internalize bitterness or hate because of the dysfunctional way race has evolved in some of those countries. Life is too short.[/quote]
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That's a good way to describe it..sort of true. Asians move into California neighborhoods, the white people move out, and then the real estate prices skyrocket as more and wealthier asians move in to buy property. It's almost a weird gentrification.