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Look away Catholics-- Birth control--right or privilege?

I saw an article -skimmed to get the gist. There is a section of Manila, Philippines that has banned contraception- birth control and condoms. I thought that was pretty messed up. They interviewed a woman who had five kids and lived in a slum with them and her husband.

It's easy to say just 'stop having sex' but that's like saying stop eating to people who are hungry. I feel sex is a human need and governments should provide contraception to those who can not afford it. It makes for a healthier, happier population of people.

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. i always feel like it should not only be a right and/or privilege, it should be required for anyone. if a person does not want to have children or too many children, they should be able to make that choice. it is very unfair for those who can not and are not allowed to by any means. it is unfair to the society they live in. it is just an overall horrendous thing for the government to make it illegal. that should not be up to them, in the first place. certain places that have only a limited amount of space, should not be allowing people to procreate because for the sake of having sex. i think that is beyond horrible. do they not understand that sex without any form of external birth control (condoms) help to spread disease? i guess not. i know that in south africa (i think, if not somewhere in africa), the president does not believe that hiv and aids can be treated with anything at all. that includes prescribed medications. the people there would not really be able to afford any of the medications and many of the treatments, in the first place. the pharm companies do not reduce the prices for poorer people in other countries, that i know of.
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The Philippines' Birth Control Battle - TIME812250,00.html
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It's lunchtime in Vitas, the sprawling slum built on the City of Manila's garbage dump. Flies swarm as Bing, a 34-year-old mother of five, prepares a meal of salted rice for her children. While she feeds them, her husband sifts through the mounds of grease-stained cardboard boxes, plastic bags, and broken glass that crowd their home. He'll sell his rotten harvest for about $3.50. For their family of seven, that’s 50 cents per person, per day. The arithmetic is simple, Bing says. "With every child I have, there is less rice each. I can’t give them all a good life."

Bing planned on having one child, but birth control was never an option. For much of the last decade, the City of Manila, one of Metro Manila's semi-autonomous municipalities, has engaged in a campaign against modern contraception. In 2000, Mayor Lito Atienza issued an order effectively banning birth control from city-funded clinics. Eight years and a new mayor later, the ban persists. The city's affluent minority buys birth control from private clinics or procures condoms on the sly, but poor women, like Bing, go without.

She's hoping that will change. Backed by local women's groups and the Center for Reproductive Rights, Bing and a group of 19 of Manila’s poorest residents have taken the city to court. Their potentially precedent-setting lawsuit contends that the ban damages women’s health and violates their rights. They've marshaled compelling evidence: a relative increase in maternal deaths, reports of botched back-alley abortions, and children born into families that can't afford to raise them. "The consequences are far-reaching," says Aya Fujimura-Fanselow, a legal adviser to the Center for Reproductive Rights. "In the 15 years we've been involved in legal reform for reproductive rights, this is one of the most devastating bans we’ve ever seen."

Unlike most countries in Asia—and most countries around the world—this majority Catholic nation of some 90 million has moved away from birth control. National funds aren't used to buy condoms or pills, and, though local governments are technically free to buy them, many like the City of Manila won't. For years, international organizations filled the void. But that's changing. USAID, once a leading supplier of condoms in the Philippines, is phasing out their contraception program, and some worry other groups will follow. "They are saying that contraceptives should be sold, not distributed for free," says Suneeta Mukherjee, a representative for the the United Nations Population Fund. “This is fine, but there is no safety net for the poor."

In lieu of condoms or pills, government and church authorities promote what they call "natural" family planning. Women are advised to purchase a thermometer, monitor their cycle, and abstain from sex on all but their least-fertile days. But abstinence is a tough sell and people, it seems, aren’t buying it. The country's population is growing at a rate of about 2.3% per year, outpacing increases in agricultural production and economics gains. Poor families, like Bing's, are growing fastest. The country's poorest residents have an average of six children. The richest, meanwhile, have two. And it's not simply a matter of choice. Asked how many children they'd like to have, Philippine women, rich and poor, say they'd like two. Bing's neighbor, Sheryl, was one of those women, but, at 25, she's already had five. Three survived infancy. "What we earn here is not enough for children," she says.

The architects of the ban deny a link between population and poverty. "I reject the notion that we are poor because we are plenty," says former mayor Atienza. "Poverty is caused by mismanagement, not by the number of people." He’s partly right, of course. Endemic corruption and sluggish agricultural production helps keep the Philippines poor. But government statistics and a host of studies show that population is part of the problem. Access to nutrition, education and employment decreases dramatically when a family outgrows its means.

But the Philippines' birth control debate doesn’t turn on economics, which often makes it difficult for human rights activists and policymakers to find common ground. Government and church leaders frame the discussion in Manichean religious terms, as a battle either for or against human life. Archbishop Paciano Aniceto, who chairs the influential Commission on Family and Life for the Catholic Bishop's Conference in the Philippines, calls birth control advocates "propagandists of a culture of death." Sex, he says, is a privilege and should always be open to the transmission of life. Former mayor Atienza agrees. Family planning advocates have been "brainwashed" by the West, he says. His ban succeeded, he adds, by teaching Manila's "innocent and ignorant" women "true" Filipino values.

This attitude riles advocates for modern contraception, who maintain there is nothing anti-Filipino about birth control. Indeed, a survey commissioned by the Philippine Legislators' Committee for Population and Development found the majority of Filipinos are actually in favor of it. In their 2007 study, 90% of respondents said they'd vote for a political candidate who supported the use of modern contraception. And many women don’t see birth control as anti-Catholic, either. Lourdes Osil, a mother of seven who joined the lawsuit, says family planning does not violate her Catholic beliefs. "I don’t think it's a sin," she says. "It's different than abortion." For her, this is a matter of rights, not religion.

Since they filed suit in January, the petitioners say they've seen small signs of change. Outreach workers say it's getting easier for them to provide family planning services independently. And, though he's yet to speak out against the ban, Manila's new mayor, Alfredo Lim, has met with pro-family planning groups and expressed some willingness to collaborate with NGOs. Roberto Ador, executive director of the Family Planning Organization of the Philippines, says the suit comes at an opportune time. He sees it as part of a nascent nationwide push for reproductive rights. "We're hoping this will create a bandwagon effect," he says, "We think this could be noticed by executives at the highest levels of government and church." For Manila's poorest families, that change can't come soon enough.
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It's only the "organized religions" that are going to have problems with birth control, since they think it's a sin to have pre marital sex anyway. I on the other had think that it's part of a bigger picture. We are part of science- over population is part of it. Look at our pets, we spay & neuter for what reason?

Funny thing is, during the old skool days of the "old skool," Christians thought medicine was witchcraft. Look at how many people died from not going forward with traditional medicine because of the church deemed it as a sin. Nowdays people have quadruple bypasses etc to save their own life instead of "leaving it to God's will."

General Mao once said: "Religion is Poison." That's one thing I agree with him on.
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I really wonder how the big asses in the catholic church can still tell people that this is the "christian" way to act.
You either live like a monk OR throw all your children into poverty?
It means to me that
1: the church people are way too well fed
2: the religions should not be abused to controll people and throw them into poverty more than life does already.

This is upsetting to me.
They forbid contraception in Manila but they aren't capable of supporting all the kids either, then they should better shut up.
Like always in history this burden lies alone on the shoulder of the women and the responsible fathers who will suffer with the kids when they don't get enough food and education and have little future.

OK, you see I am not a church member. The fake concept of "helping" practised by some of them fucked with me early enough so that I turned away from all churches.

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